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Greetings friends in this group. I am fighting an uphill battle with the
technical team on the project that I am on where they insist that they do
not want to clone applications because they some how see it as evil. My
role is as the Maximo Business Consultant.
Up until the last 2 years, they were on Maximo 4.X and in that world, many
of the various organizations within the larger organization did their own
thing, created their own apps etc and things got out of control.
In the new Maximo 7.6 world we now live in they have brought back central
control of the application and the database, but they fear cloning because
I quite frankly do not think they understand it and the power it can bring
to bear when trying to simplify applications for various types of users.
We are running base Maixmo 7.6.03 plus Transportation and SCCD. We are
currently planning our upgrade to Maximo 7.6.1 in the next 12 months. We
have several user groups, Fleet asset and maintenance users, Facilities
Asset and maintenance users and IT Asset and maintenance users. Most of IT
is run using the SR module and they rarely stray into the work order world
with the exception of change requests.
Fleet and Facilities do Asset management and maintenance on their assets,
both CM and PM.
I have received numerous requests to simplify the workorder and asset
management screens for the facilities teams and my answer is to clone the
existing work order and asset management screens for them and then removing
the extraneous fields and tabs that facilities does not need to see,
resulting in a much more streamlined application specific to the needs of
the facilities teams. Tabs with things like Number and position of Axles
etc.will be removed.
The technical team is fighting me saying they don't want to clone because
"it increases complexity for upgrades". I have done this on several
occasions before and have never had an upgrade issue with cloned apps since
Maximo 7.5.
What I am hoping for is a peer exchange with one of your teams who can talk
about cloning, the successes you have had with it, any upgrade issues or
not etc.
The organization I'm supporting is the Maryland Department of
Transportation and they are responsible for multi-modal transportation
across all of the State of Maryland, so if there are any other DOT's that
use Maixmo that might be willing to help me and meet with our team
virtually or otherwise, I would greatly appreciate it as it should help me
show them that I am on the right track with this plan to use cloning to our
advantage to simplify work order and asset management screens for the
facilities personnel who will be using the system.
Thanks for your support in this challenge I am facing.
Paul D. Bishop, ITIL, IBM Certified Deployment Professional
Cloning actually simplifies the upgrade process. At least that have been my experience.You have a master application, say Assets. You clone it and remove permissions from the parent application.All changes are done to the clone.If you need another version, you clone the parent application again and start from base Maximo.If you ever have a problem with an application, you can test against the base Maximo application and see if it is a system bug or an application bug.Testing.. Simplified.The base application is available to verify that the upgrade was performed successfully.Each department can test their application to make sure it performs as expected.
Downside:Each department must perform their own testing.
UpsideEach department must perform their own testing.
On Thursday, February 28, 2019, 7:50:10 AM PST, Paul Bishop pbishop4@gmail.com [MAXIMO] <MAXIMO@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Greetings friends in this group. I am fighting an uphill battle with the
technical team on the project that I am on where they insist that they do
not want to clone applications because they some how see it as evil. My
role is as the Maximo Business Consultant.
Up until the last 2 years, they were on Maximo 4.X and in that world, many
of the various organizations within the larger organization did their own
thing, created their own apps etc and things got out of control.
In the new Maximo 7.6 world we now live in they have brought back central
control of the application and the database, but they fear cloning because
I quite frankly do not think they understand it and the power it can bring
to bear when trying to simplify applications for various types of users.
We are running base Maixmo 7.6.03 plus Transportation and SCCD. We are
currently planning our upgrade to Maximo 7.6.1 in the next 12 months. We
have several user groups, Fleet asset and maintenance users, Facilities
Asset and maintenance users and IT Asset and maintenance users. Most of IT
is run using the SR module and they rarely stray into the work order world
with the exception of change requests.
Fleet and Facilities do Asset management and maintenance on their assets,
both CM and PM.
I have received numerous requests to simplify the workorder and asset
management screens for the facilities teams and my answer is to clone the
existing work order and asset management screens for them and then removing
the extraneous fields and tabs that facilities does not need to see,
resulting in a much more streamlined application specific to the needs of
the facilities teams. Tabs with things like Number and position of Axles
etc.will be removed.
The technical team is fighting me saying they don't want to clone because
"it increases complexity for upgrades". I have done this on several
occasions before and have never had an upgrade issue with cloned apps since
Maximo 7.5.
What I am hoping for is a peer exchange with one of your teams who can talk
about cloning, the successes you have had with it, any upgrade issues or
not etc.
The organization I'm supporting is the Maryland Department of
Transportation and they are responsible for multi-modal transportation
across all of the State of Maryland, so if there are any other DOT's that
use Maixmo that might be willing to help me and meet with our team
virtually or otherwise, I would greatly appreciate it as it should help me
show them that I am on the right track with this plan to use cloning to our
advantage to simplify work order and asset management screens for the
facilities personnel who will be using the system.
Thanks for your support in this challenge I am facing.
Paul D. Bishop, ITIL, IBM Certified Deployment Professional
Hi, Paul,
Cloning is very useful and it does simplify the configuration process, you are not actually modifying the out-of-box base modules, in case of something goes wrong with customization of base modules, it may be very time consuming to restore Maximo to the prior state and data may be lost (unfortunately this does happen). You can export the Cloned app to XML file and keep version control for all changes made. However cloning does still have limitations and some of the configuration change/customization may require global changes to Maximo, hopefully that is not your use case.
Regards,
Sam Wu
We have many cloned applications and they do not cause any issues with upgrades. We also use app level filters with clones to provide unique data sets to the cloned application. For example, cloning the WOTRACK app to create a simple WOREQ app and show only the WOs that have been submitted by the user.
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Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2019 3:56 PM
To: MAXIMO@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [MAXIMO List] Some help needed
Cloning actually simplifies the upgrade process. At least that have been my experience.You have a master application, say Assets. You clone it and remove permissions from the parent application.All changes are done to the clone.If you need another version, you clone the parent application again and start from base Maximo.If you ever have a problem with an application, you can test against the base Maximo application and see if it is a system bug or an application bug.Testing.. Simplified.The base application is available to verify that the upgrade was performed successfully.Each department can test their application to make sure it performs as expected.
Downside:Each department must perform their own testing.
UpsideEach department must perform their own testing.
On Thursday, February 28, 2019, 7:50:10 AM PST, Paul Bishop pbishop4@gmail.com<mailto:pbishop4@gmail.com> [MAXIMO] <MAXIMO@yahoogroups.com<mailto:MAXIMO@yahoogroups.com>> wrote:
Greetings friends in this group. I am fighting an uphill battle with the
technical team on the project that I am on where they insist that they do
not want to clone applications because they some how see it as evil. My
role is as the Maximo Business Consultant.
Up until the last 2 years, they were on Maximo 4.X and in that world, many
of the various organizations within the larger organization did their own
thing, created their own apps etc and things got out of control.
In the new Maximo 7.6 world we now live in they have brought back central
control of the application and the database, but they fear cloning because
I quite frankly do not think they understand it and the power it can bring
to bear when trying to simplify applications for various types of users.
We are running base Maixmo 7.6.03 plus Transportation and SCCD. We are
currently planning our upgrade to Maximo 7.6.1 in the next 12 months. We
have several user groups, Fleet asset and maintenance users, Facilities
Asset and maintenance users and IT Asset and maintenance users. Most of IT
is run using the SR module and they rarely stray into the work order world
with the exception of change requests.
Fleet and Facilities do Asset management and maintenance on their assets,
both CM and PM.
I have received numerous requests to simplify the workorder and asset
management screens for the facilities teams and my answer is to clone the
existing work order and asset management screens for them and then removing
the extraneous fields and tabs that facilities does not need to see,
resulting in a much more streamlined application specific to the needs of
the facilities teams. Tabs with things like Number and position of Axles
etc.will be removed.
The technical team is fighting me saying they don't want to clone because
"it increases complexity for upgrades". I have done this on several
occasions before and have never had an upgrade issue with cloned apps since
Maximo 7.5.
What I am hoping for is a peer exchange with one of your teams who can talk
about cloning, the successes you have had with it, any upgrade issues or
not etc.
The organization I'm supporting is the Maryland Department of
Transportation and they are responsible for multi-modal transportation
across all of the State of Maryland, so if there are any other DOT's that
use Maixmo that might be willing to help me and meet with our team
virtually or otherwise, I would greatly appreciate it as it should help me
show them that I am on the right track with this plan to use cloning to our
advantage to simplify work order and asset management screens for the
facilities personnel who will be using the system.
Thanks for your support in this challenge I am facing.
Paul D. Bishop, ITIL, IBM Certified Deployment Professional
Omg cloning apps makes upgrades easier
26 years of experience !!!
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> On 19 Feb 2019, at 13:23, Paul Bishop pbishop4@gmail.com [MAXIMO] <MAXIMO@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
> Greetings friends in this group. I am fighting an uphill battle with the
> technical team on the project that I am on where they insist that they do
> not want to clone applications because they some how see it as evil. My
> role is as the Maximo Business Consultant.
>
> Up until the last 2 years, they were on Maximo 4.X and in that world, many
> of the various organizations within the larger organization did their own
> thing, created their own apps etc and things got out of control.
>
> In the new Maximo 7.6 world we now live in they have brought back central
> control of the application and the database, but they fear cloning because
> I quite frankly do not think they understand it and the power it can bring
> to bear when trying to simplify applications for various types of users.
>
> We are running base Maixmo 7.6.03 plus Transportation and SCCD. We are
> currently planning our upgrade to Maximo 7.6.1 in the next 12 months. We
> have several user groups, Fleet asset and maintenance users, Facilities
> Asset and maintenance users and IT Asset and maintenance users. Most of IT
> is run using the SR module and they rarely stray into the work order world
> with the exception of change requests.
>
> Fleet and Facilities do Asset management and maintenance on their assets,
> both CM and PM.
>
> I have received numerous requests to simplify the workorder and asset
> management screens for the facilities teams and my answer is to clone the
> existing work order and asset management screens for them and then removing
> the extraneous fields and tabs that facilities does not need to see,
> resulting in a much more streamlined application specific to the needs of
> the facilities teams. Tabs with things like Number and position of Axles
> etc.will be removed.
>
> The technical team is fighting me saying they don't want to clone because
> "it increases complexity for upgrades". I have done this on several
> occasions before and have never had an upgrade issue with cloned apps since
> Maximo 7.5.
>
> What I am hoping for is a peer exchange with one of your teams who can talk
> about cloning, the successes you have had with it, any upgrade issues or
> not etc.
>
> The organization I'm supporting is the Maryland Department of
> Transportation and they are responsible for multi-modal transportation
> across all of the State of Maryland, so if there are any other DOT's that
> use Maixmo that might be willing to help me and meet with our team
> virtually or otherwise, I would greatly appreciate it as it should help me
> show them that I am on the right track with this plan to use cloning to our
> advantage to simplify work order and asset management screens for the
> facilities personnel who will be using the system.
>
> Thanks for your support in this challenge I am facing.
>
> Paul D. Bishop, ITIL, IBM Certified Deployment Professional
>
>
>
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